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Saturday, January 30, 2010
Thursday Nights Figure Class .... Disaster
Have you ever just wanted to shake things up and try a new surface to paint on? I had heard about Sherwin Williams Alkyd Primer as a good and reliable base to paint on so I purchased a quart just the other day. I decided to apply a coat to a panel as well as a linen canvas. It dried to the touch within an hour as the directions stated and it seemed fine and ready to paint on. So off I went to S12 to paint a figure.
The first 30 minutes were great and the paint seemed to flow well. But into the first hour the paint was noticeably being sucked into the primer. Well I thought, maybe I should add a little linseed oil and maybe that should slow down the absorption rate of the canvas. It did not work. The painting was starting to dry ( we are talking oils here ) in the 3 hr time frame. It was amazing. I can't recall when I have been so frustrated with my " tools " . Well maybe I can....like when I was in Art school. But this was ridiculous. Nothing seemed to work and I could not control what I wanted to accomplish. The surface was fighting me at every brush stroke. So I quit a bit early and hoped I could possibly rescue it at home but when I set the canvas on my easel the background was ALREADY DRY. Amazing.
What also made the evening frustrating was that I really liked the pose and I was orchestrating a colorist approach. I did a minimal amount of drawing and blocked in a color chord that I found appealing . But as the night progressed it was like going to a dance with your dream date and slipping and falling and breaking your leg after you drank some punch.
So , the next day after I taught at Lincoln Hills , I went back into the painting to see if it just needed to dry before I added another coat. But it was all for naught. The surface was like a sponge.
Did I do something wrong here? Hmmmm. I started to scrap off the surface of the second attempt but I stopped and photographed it as reminder of good intentions gone bad. A Catcher on the Dry .
I tried another quick sketch on the panel yesterday and today it's already dry! It absorbs way too fast for my taste and my alla prima approach....anybody want a barely used quart of Sherwin Williams Alkyd Primer?
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Luckily , I had a place to vent as I told my Friday Class about my misadventure. I taught the students about keeping the light consistant throughout the painting. The shadows and the light have to feel like they are coming from the same light source.
I could not help myself and I painted a little portrait sketch of Jim Brunk who was painting a real beauty yesterday. I just lusted at all his cool Silver and Robert Simmons Brushes. Its like looking at a golfer with the best clubs. It may not help you be a better artist but in the end you can't blame the brushes!
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I will refrane from useing alkydes altogether.
ReplyDeleteI also heard that painting on mdf board, (medium density fiber board) is not so good either. It wants to suck all the oil out of the paint too!
But now "we" know!
Bill,
ReplyDeleteI know Stape swears by this primer. Maybe I need to give it 2 coats? But it sucks up the paint like nothing I have seen before.
Bill,
ReplyDeleteI should have been more careful in reading S.Kearns post. It seems he gives it 2 coats then sands it. I'll try that next. I do not want to leave a false impression.
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Wow, that is a fast drying primer. I guess if you wanted to do really fast drying sketches it would work, but I can see why it was so frustrating for you for normal painting.
ReplyDeleteI've used this primer on panels - not sure about putting it on a canvas. I have had good results with it, using two coats.
ReplyDeleteFor canvas, if I've had to buy commercially prepared ones at the last minute or something, I will apply one or two very thin coats of flake white mixed about 50/50 with some medium, scraping it on with a palette knife, just enough to fill in the holes in the weave. This gives a nice lead primed surface which is non absorbent, and acts just the same as a nice double oil primed linen (which is still my favorite surface for painting)
I hope my disasters ever look that good, Frank!
Jeremy... Stape sent me his link on applying the primer. Have you tried it? I just received an email from him. He said to give it 2 coats. I'm going to give it another try...but I have never experienced paint being absorbed soooo fast.
ReplyDeleteDeb....Help! Which brand of Flake White do you use? And does the ingredients indicate that it is indeed lead. I have seen cremnitz white replace flake white in some brands.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree. I really like the oil primed linen.
Frank:
ReplyDeleteI think you're not putting on a second coat resulted in an incomplete sealing of the Masonite. Give it a second coat,let it dry for a day or two and sand it with 150 grit lightly. If that doesn't work I don't know what the deal is. I have used it for years and not had a problem with its being too thirsty. maybe you aren't holding your mouth right.
....................Stape
Frank,
ReplyDeleteFlake White is lead carbonite. Here's a link to a helpful site that lists common tube names and their chemical compounds.
http://www.artiscreation.com/white.html
Scroll down to find the lead whites.
You DO want a lead white - so look for the chemical ingredients on the tube itself. For lead white, should say PW1. I usually just get Windsor Newton because I can pick it up at the local art supply store.
When I lived in New Mexico, I could get a quart of lead primer at a Santa Fe art supply store. I THINK it was something like
Williamsburg Oil Primer or something like that. It was not cheap, but a quart would do about a hundred canvases if I kept it sealed well in between uses. Maybe you can find something like that out west - we don't have it locally here.
Hey Deb...
ReplyDeleteThe Cremnitz White is lead carbonate PW1. I have some . I also have Williamsbug's lead white. I ordered it on Jerry's Artarama.
Stape said to give it 2 coats and sand. That is where I made my mistake. I will try again.
thanks for the link!!!! ;v)
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I di dn't know Jerry's had the lead primer. Good to know. thanks.... good luck with the panels! I make my own alla Stape's method and they work well.. and for cheap, which is always a good thing.
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